I've been searching for an old thread that listed parallels between ex-Mormons and ex-JWs and how they're treated but I can't find it. It was concise and accurate, IIRC.
Mad Sweeney
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Piggy-Back JW's on the Mormon Cult Controversy
by Momma-Tossed-Me inon a previous thread a non-jw made the linked the jw's to cult status excluding the mormons.. can we as a group add jw's to this mormon-cult controversy to get some mileage out it?.
surely there are some on this board with some media contacts that could do the trick.. make some correlation between the two comparing the relative similarities of the two.. mtm .
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January 2012 WT Study edition on PDF pulled from JW.org website
by bnybyt inthe wt study edition is getting a facelift for the new year.. the january issue had been posted on jw.org but.... the boes hadn't received notice by letter of such a change.. the wts likes to play up every opportunity to have a new release.. this time the jw.org techies jumped the gun and went on to post.
the issues for download according to their established schedule.. unfortunately, they went ahead of the fds/gb who too late .
realized the cat was out of the bag, sort of saying.. well, it got pulled off the website, for now at least.. what's so secretive about it?.
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Mad Sweeney
It is just the layout and cover art that has been adapted, now with PICs. Probably so that people who read the regular version and those who read the simplified version won't be able to tell one another apart with just a glance anymore. I'm sure there have been some in the congregations who felt superior because they used the regular version and those who felt inferior for using the simplified one. Now everyone looks the same as the conductor looks at them from the front of the room. Conformity above all. That's the Borg motto.
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You are all wicked Apostates!!!
by iamwhoiam inthis is nothing new obviously, i'm just using this as a sounding board to see if i'm looking at this thing correctly.
your thoughts are greatly appreciated.. watchtower july 15, 2011 p 15 paragraph 4 under the title "will you heed jehovah's clear warnings?".
4 to elders of the ephesus congregation, paul said: from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things.
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Mad Sweeney
I see people interconnecting in new and far-reaching ways. Yeah, people nowadays might not know their next-door neighbors but they are WAY MORE likely to have made a friend on the opposite side of the planet than people back in the close-knit community days when churches ruled the world. So local cohesion has given way to independence while global interconnectedness has never been stronger.
I'll take that tradeoff and refuse to label it as a lack of love.
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Watchtower Known for Flipping Properties for Profit
by breakfast of champions ini thought witnesses were known for spreading the good news of gods kingdom.
check this out.. link.
page 5 in particular.
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Mad Sweeney
Why should any non-profit be allowed to profit tax-free? Not paying 'Ceasar's things to Ceasar' is unChristian, IMO.
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Victoria, Australia: October 11th hearing. All five cases made it through the court...just!
by AndersonsInfo inthis is a preliminary summary only.
i hope to obtain more details later.. .
all five cases are still within the criminal justice system.
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Mad Sweeney
My speculation is that the attorney had to admit that the FDS for all intents and purposes = GB.
Can't wait for more info. Thanks for sharing what you've got, Barbara!
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still trying to get my head cleared
by beccaskids inhi, everyone my name is becky i've been in and out of the organization it wasnt untill 2 years ago i finally put a end to going at all and havent been back since.it was so hard cause i have family in it and was grown up with those thoughts and rules way of life i guess you call it.my head is still in confusion most of the time.i'm currently going to a baptist church and i love it just when witnesess are brought up it upsets me even though it shouldnt cause i'm no long going to it.i feel like i dont know who to believe anymore or what is even good to read anymore.i'm on facebook alot and see alot of things on there but dont know the right people to talk to on there either about it,so i found this here.i'm 33 years old and dont think i should be struggling with such a thing but wow it is hard to get out of your head.i like reading the bible but sometimes i dont understand what is being said which is why the watchtowers i thought helped me but im finding they didnt i guess,yep confused as ever...
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Mad Sweeney
Crisis of Conscience and Combating Cult Mind Control are two of THE BEST books for clearing up any confusion about Jehovah's Witnesses. I was raised in it, too, and didn't leave until I was in my 40s. It's never too late. You can do it.
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COs visit sep 2011 - feb 2012
by dozy inapologies if already discussed - the second cos talk discusses 4 "important" areas where jws need to consider the biblical principles involved.. answers on a postcode ( clue - one word - 2 letters - 1st letter is "n" ).
should a true christian?:.
(1) use a social networking website.
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Mad Sweeney
Any question posed by the Borg that starts with "Should a true Christian" is always answered, NO!
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Mad Sweeney
Awesome, Found Sheep. My wife and I still hope to meet with you one day soon, too.
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Evangelical Says Mormonism Is Not Cult; Open To Saying JWs Are
by Justitia Themis inhttp://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/09/my-take-this-evangelical-says-mormonism-isnt-a-cult/?hpt=hp_t2.
editors note:richard j. mouw is president of fuller theological seminary, an evangelical school in pasadena, california.. by richard j. mouw, special to cnn.
some prominent evangelical pastors have been telling their constituents not to support mitt romneys bid for the presidential nomination.
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Mad Sweeney
Evidently evangelicals like to define words a lot like the Borg does. If you have established schools, colleges, or universities and have a lot in common with evangelicals then you're automagically not a cult, according to this clown.
Jeez, is it any wonder some people look upon all religions as dangerous cults?
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Governing Body arrogance vs. Legal Department's pragmatism - do you think there will be a slip-up at some point?
by sir82 inthe recent & surprising developments in the uk and australia got me thinking..... the governing body of jehovah's witnesses is nothing if not arrogant.
they consider themselves "god's channel of communication", stopping just short of claiming divine inspiration.
they believe that they and they alone are the masters of "christ's belongings" and are answerable only to him.. the watchtower society's legal department carefully crafts gb decisions so as not to put the watchtower society's assets or prestige as risk.
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Mad Sweeney
The Governing Body has given no indication that THEY do any significant Bible interpretation, either, though they reserve that right. What's actually new in the last ten years or so, doctrinally? The only new light doctrinal changes were pretty much forced on them by the passage of time: ditching the 1935 anointing cutoff date, overlapping generation, and??? The other changes have all been legalistic things.
For the most part, this Governing Body is a status quo maintainer, and I think there are a couple reasons for that. One, they believe the doctrines they were believed when they were indoctrinated and will not entertain the possibility that it's all wrong. Two, nobody on the body has the gravitas among his peers to influence any real change anyway and so even if there is the occasional effort to do so, no real reform ever comes.
As for whether the Governing Body runs the lawyers and corporations, I don't think they do, officially. There is no apparent legal connection (that I know of) between the many corporations of the Watchtower and the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. The religion is separate from the business, officially, and as such the businesses are under no compulsion to do anything the religion says - other than due to cult control influences. The leaders of the corporations are all JWs and as such can be DFd at the whim of the GB. Therefore they have to keep the GB appeased. The ONLY way a corporate head like Don Adams could overrule the GB is if he had the full support of all his underlings. Without that, the GB could easily DF him and he'd be powerless to get anyone else in the corporation to do anything - and there is probably a clause in all the corporate officers' job descriptions that they must remain a JW in good standing to hold their office.
But as has been stated by many, this is educated guessing and speculation. We won't know for sure the current state inside the Borg until another insider defects and leaks info.
Any high level WT insider lurking here - if you want to defect from the Borg and spill the beans on the entire operation I'm sure there are people here with a spare room for you to crash in until you get on your feet. Us apostates are kind and loving that way. :-)